A Tale of Two Turkeys
Each time I meet with a group of Turkish journalists (and that happens about three times a year thanks to the Hrant Dink Foundation usually) I am amazed at the things which amaze them.
I talk about Kemal Ataturk, about history and politics, about security, about genocide recognition, about history, about the ability of a government to reject one’s own alphabet but not a crime of indescribable scale, about neighbors living with open borders regardless of how open borders affect economics and other realities. I talk about all these major, universal, overarching, historic and political issues. What do they ask? They ask about my grandmother.
Each time I’m amazed and each time I forget. It’s not because I have a lousy memory. I do, more and more…. But that’s not the problem. The reason I forget is that I try very hard, very very hard, to de-personalize the discussion. I try very hard not to focus on lost childhoods, lost parents, not normal (not abnormal, just plain NOT normal) childhoods and adolescences, about indescribably cruel and tortuous parent-child relationships and their affect on succeeding generations. I try to talk only about the inescapable complexities of unresolved political and historical events. I try to describe the inescapable siege mentality that is the outcome of closed borders in the 21st century. I try to explain that we – the rational, caring, thoughtful, honest, pragmatic, humanist, philosophical, just-minded – are ready to move forward believing that time will bring justice, but will not be coerced by someone in Ankara imposing a politically-expedient acknowledgement of so-called objective history, as if what international scholars have studied these decades is not objective or scholarly.
They listen. But they want to know about orphanages, about deserts, about children being left behind, about fourteen year olds being sold by Turks and bought by Armenians. Sometimes I get emotional. Other times, they get emotional even before I do. They apologize for asking and continue to ask the questions that transform this incomprehensible political crime and continuing consequences into a human story deserving of compassion. More is not in their power. People to people is all they can do. Absent governments relations, that’s all anyone can do.
Finally, they always want to know if I’ve been to Turkey. No, I tell them, I’ve been to Istanbul, but not to Turkey. They are from Istanbul. And they, too, know that Turkey is not Istanbul. And that is a problem for them, too, not just for us.





Great post. Beautiful and powerful
Bravo!!!! Well put! and very touching…
Agree with Artak; amazing manner of writing!!1
No matter how peaceful and “humanistic” sounding this article sounds, this lady is being a racist. She knows she is hung up on the past and hatred and hostility against everything Turkish. This lady is a racist Dashnak fanatic deep down inside and she knows it. There was equal amounts of Muslim and Christian suffering, hence civil war, not genocide. This is a racist Anti-Turkish piecce, bottom line.
Thanks to the author. I’m deeply impressed.
It was wonderful, thank you for such a notional event.
Bravo Salpi!!!!
Yusuf, the fact that none of my Turkish guests, colleagues, nor my Turkish friends agree with you means that there truly are two Turkeys. Thanx for writing.
Yusuf: It’s not about who’s hanging where. civiC war? Bring me any other country in the world where 1,500 000 million civilians were MASSACRED by the government during the civic war. How many of your muslim population died during those 1900s in your so-called civic war?
BOTTOM LINE – If you didn’t learn history much, don’t judge others by your ignorance.
Yusuf:Years ago i was working with a true gentle, kind caring person. we became very good friends. One day i asked him, where is he form, he said “please don’t ask me i don’t want to loose you frienship” i said what you mean, and he said, ” I’m turfkish’.
I don’t have more to say, and you know what, we stayed very good friends.
Yusuf, I have seen the two Turkeys last 24 April in Istanbul with my bare eyes. I can offer you more counseling on this, of course if you want.. for your own good, always.
Charges of racism are an easy reflex reaction. Starting every discussion with the g-word is also a reflex reaction to a given historical experience. But there are Turks and Armenians who want to pass on a different legacy to those that will come after them. The modern Turkish-Armenian relationship has big asks of both sides of the relationship – and there are different ‘Turkeys’ and different ‘Armenias’ on each side too. There are those among both Armenians and Turks who really are “hung up” on the past, as Yusuf suggests, who can only talk in received categories. Then there are those who speak for engagement with the past as closure for a different future. I think this is what Salpi is talking about. At the moment it is just a small group of individuals willing to undertake this transformation. They are an example of how Turks and Armenians can achieve a different equilibrium from the one they’ve inherited from history. And where Turks and Armenians go, one day, Turkey and Armenia will hopefully follow.